JOHN 8_58
In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Praise be to God, and may blessings and peace be upon the Messenger of God, his family, and all his companions.
Where did Jesus say, “I am God, worship me”?… A question that Muslims have asked and continue to ask Christians… And the answer to this question differs from one Christian to another… Perhaps someone will cite words from the Bible… But not from the words of Christ, like the words of Paul, for example… Or he will cite a text from the words of Christ and conclude from it the divinity of Christ… Or he will justify why Christ did not say this saying, saying that if he had said that, the Jews would have stoned him, as Pope Shenouda said…
We did not find in the past any missionary who went out to the people and brought them from the Bible a sentence on the tongue of Christ in which he says that he is God… But it seems that with the developments of time, talking about love and that Jesus loves you and died for you… is not enough to convince a non-Christian to worship a person who did not ask him to worship… So some came out with a text in the Gospel of John and said that this text is an explicit expression from Jesus that he is God
And before we present their words regarding this text…
We will make a slight modification to the wording of the question… If we go back to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts… We will not find a god called God at all… So we ask from… Christians have a text in which Jesus says that he is God,
so the word God is 100% Islamic and does not exist in the original Bible, and this is something we are honored by, and we are the ones who demand that Christians delete this honorable name from their holy book…
But what is required is a text on the tongue of Jesus in which he says that he is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament…
This name is the proper name for God in Christianity and it is the name specific to God alone and cannot be attributed to anyone other than God
. We will discuss this topic in detail, God willing…
Some Christian scholars have tried, through the text of the Gospel of John, to prove that Jesus said that he is Jehovah
How does Jesus say that he is God???
Jesus could have said it in two ways… either he used one of the names of God in the New Testament… or he expressed his divinity through the name of God in the Old Testament…
We say at the beginning that the names of God in the Old Testament are many… Jehovah, Elohim, El Shaddai… etc.
But the only name that pertains to God alone is Jehovah… and the rest of the names are general and can be given to God or others… Jehovah is a proper name specific to God Himself…
We read this in the book… The Names of God in the Holy Bible - Dr. Munis Abdel Nour..
Jehovah is the only proper name that pertains to God alone…
Analysis of the language of the Gospel of Matthew - Dr. Maurice Tawadros
They are a personal name that is distinct from other general names .
Encyclopedia of the Bible
A New Evidence Demands a Verdict - Josh McDowell
Theological dictionary of the New Testament
And when it is used…it is used only for the true God …
Conviction Without Compromise-Norman Geisler, Ron Rhodes
Father Abdel-Masih Basit says: (1)
If “Jehovah” is the special name of God that cannot be given to anyone else,
and that expresses His being and essence, and His being eternally existing and eternally living, then it is never said “Jehovah the Living…” The name itself means that He is the self-existent, necessarily existing, and eternally living…
There are other general titles for God that express “divinity, theology,” and they are “Elohim, Eloah,” which means “God, God, divinity, divinity.”
And we read in another place that
the title “Elohim” is used in the Old Testament, in general, as a title for the one God, and as a word expressing divinity in general “God, God, divinity.” It was repeated in the Old Testament (2,570) times, (2,300) of which were for “God,”
and the rest were used in a general sense “God, gods,” for idols, angels, and humans.
http://fatherbassit.com/shobohat/3ab…i7/book_22.htm
And the interpreter Albert Barnes says in his interpretation of Genesis 2-4:
It is never applied to any but the true God
So if Jesus wanted to express his divinity through the Old Testament… there is no way but to say that he is Jehovah… and it is
logical and natural… that the expression of divinity in the Old Testament would be the same as in the New Testament… because it is assumed that the God of the Old Testament is the God of the New Testament
, but the shocking thing is that the name Jehovah does not exist at all in the New Testament and the writers of revelation never used it… rather they used other names to express divinity…
and this position, if it indicates anything, indicates that the God of the Old Testament has no relation to the God of the New Testament… because the name of God himself is different…
Priest Abdel-Masih Basit (2) says that
the New Testament did not use the word “Jehovah” and this name did not appear in any of its books at all, whether in the speech of Jesus Christ or his disciples or in the speeches of the Jews, and it was not mentioned or even appeared in the verses that were transmitted and quoted from the Old Testament and in which the name and word “Jehovah” are found. Therefore, the word “Jehovah”
does not exist in the New Testament. Therefore, there is another way in which Jesus could express his divinity, which is to use one of the names of God in the New Testament.
Priest Abdel-Masih Basit says that (3)
in addition to the word and title “Father,” Jesus Christ and his disciples used the words ” Lord - Kyrios” and “God Theos” as an alternative to Jehovah and other titles such as “Elohim” and “El.” This is clear from the verses that the New Testament borrowed from the Old Testament,
and the same words were also mentioned in the Encyclopedia of the Bible. (4)
Jesus could express his divinity through the New Testament through 3 names:
First
He says he is the father… and this did not happen…
Second
To say that he is Theos (Theos) (Θεόν) (the name of God in the New Testament) (5)… And Jesus called the Father by this name in the New Testament…
John
17:3 And this is eternal life , that they know you, the only true God , and Jesus Christ whom you have sent . (KJV) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ , whom thou hast sent. And Jesus never called himself by this name.
Thirdly
As for Kyrios, which means master or lord… and which Jesus the Father also called by… it is not specific to God only… but can be used for other than God…
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes.
( قاموس κύριος- ( - thayer
- he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
( قاموس κύριος- ( - strong
God, Lord, master
So the word means Lord, Master or Teacher and it may be applied to God and others… and therefore whether it is applied to Christ or not it will be of no use at all… and it was applied to Paul in the text of Acts (16-30)
so the only way… for Christians to prove that Jesus said that he is God… is to express the divinity through the Old Testament … because Jesus did not call himself by any of the names of God in the New Testament… and this is what Christians tried to prove through the text of the Gospel of John 8-58
1The book “Is Christ God, the Son of God, or Human?” by Father Abdul-Masih Basit
2The same reference
3The same reference
4The Biblical Encyclopedia - God
5It may also be used to refer to Satan
I will discuss 5th one later in any other thread
The story of Ego Emi and Jehovah…!!!
We mentioned that the only way for Jesus to declare his divinity … is to declare to the Jews that he is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament … who spoke to Moses on the mountain …!!!
The question now is … how does Jesus declare that he is Jehovah???
We mean that Jehovah is a Hebrew word … and the language of the New Testament is Greek … so how can a person who speaks Greek declare that he is Jehovah??? (1)
It is obvious and well-known that the matter will never be different … because, quite simply … Jehovah is a proper noun … and thus Jehovah in Greek is Jehovah in Hebrew is Jehovah in Arabic … etc.
It is well-known and self-evident that proper nouns are not translated from one language to another and are placed as they are … so if there is a man named .. Mohamed Gamil … his name will be translated in English as Mohamed gamel as it is … and it will not be translated to Mohamed beautiful ..
But the matter was completely different for the Jews when translating the name Jehovah from Hebrew to Greek… in the Septuagint (2)… they did not put Jehovah as it is, but rather used alternative words when translating Jehovah into Greek… and we will discuss this in detail, God willing.
Now let us see how Jesus said that he is Jehovah according to what some of the People of the Book said…
I am - ایجو ایمى
This is the word on which some of the People of the Book built their belief that Jesus is declaring that he is Jehovah… The text that some Christian scholars have argued about is the text of John 8-58
(GNT) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was , I am . 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am here.” Jesus said to the Jews, “Before Abraham was (ego emi).” We follow how some Christian scholars linked this word to the term Jehovah in the Old Testament…
Dr. Samuel Youssef says in his book Introduction to the Old Testament:
So this is the beginning…and it is linking Igo Emi…with Ihiya who I am…and this is the phrase that the God of the Old Testament said to our master Moses when he asked him about his name in the Book of Exodus…
3:13 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I come to the children of Israel and will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ And if they say to me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?”
3:14 Then God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ”
The respected interpreter William Barclay repeated the same words in his interpretation of this verse, saying that Ahya in Hebrew = Igo Emi in Greek.
Dr. Morris also repeated this statement in his book, Analysis of the Gospel of Matthew…
Dr. Youssef Riad says
When the Lord appeared to Moses in the bush, and asked to send Him to the children of Israel, Moses made many objections… One of those objections was… Then Moses said to God, “Behold, when I come to the children of Israel, I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ And if they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you’” (Exodus 3:13, 14). When the Old Testament was translated into Greek, which is known as the Septuagint, the divine name “I AM” was translated “IGO EMI.” This is the same word that Jesus used to the Jews when He said to them, “I AM.”
If according to what these people say, Ego Emi in Greek = Ahya Asher Ahya in Hebrew…
and now we come to link Ahya who is Ahya with Jehovah… according to what some Christian scholars say…
they said that Ahya who is Ahya is the deep meaning of the name Jehovah… and thus whoever says Ahya who is Ahya is as if he said Jehovah…
Dr. Morris says in the same reference,
and Josh McDowell says in proof that requires a decision
Antonius Fikry says…
But he said, “I am,” and in this he refers to his name, Jehovah , meaning the being… before Abraham was (its original meaning is to become), I am a being (its root is being and I am a being, meaning divinity = the name of God)
http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interp…hapter-08.html
Father Abdel-Masih Basit says while explaining the word Jehovah:
“I am who I am… I am who sent me… Jehovah, the God of your fathers .” “I am” like “Jehovah” I am, is the first person form of the verb “hayya, hayah, heh,” meaning “I am,” “I am who I am… I am… the being,” and upon God’s saying “I am,” the human being answers “He is the being” and addresses him “You are the being,” or “He is the one who gives being.”
http://fatherbassit.com/shobohat/3ab…i7/book_22.htm
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Dr. Youssef Riad says
The phrase “I am” is exactly equivalent to saying “I am God” or “I am the Lord” or “I am Jehovah” which is the name of God according to the Hebrew Bible. This expression “I am” is according to the original Greek in which the New Testament was written “Ego Emi”, meaning the necessary and permanent existence, the eternal and everlasting. Who could that be but God
It even reached the point where one of them claimed that Ihiya who is Ihiya and Jehovah are two sides of the same coin…and he said that the word Jehovah is just an abbreviation for the phrase Ihiya who is Ihiya.
Modern Commentary on the Holy Bible - Page 77-78
So in brief, according to what these people are saying … Ahya Asher Ahya means I am the being in Hebrew… and Igo Emi means I am the being in Greek,
so Igo Emi = Ahya Asher Ahya… and since Ahya Asher Ahya is the deep meaning of the proper name Yahweh… then Igo Emi = Yahweh…
this is what they are saying in brief… and there is no power or strength except with God
1This is assuming that Jesus’ language is Greek…
2The Greek translation of the Old Testament
🚨🚨Bible is corrupted🚨🚨
Things to forget before replying
Before delving into this text… we have to forget or ignore several things…
Firstly
We must forget that the Gospels are the work of an unknown author…and assume that the Gospels are a work inspired by God…
Modern Interpretation - The Gospel of Matthew
Thirdly
We must forget that there are hundreds of thousands of differences between the remaining manuscripts of the book… and that the number of differences is greater than the number of words in the New Testament itself…!
More than 150,000 different readings have been found in the older witnesses to the text of the New Testament
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14530a.htm#IV
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: New Testament
Jesus Christ uses the words ‘new testament’ as meaning the alliance established by Himself between God and the world, and this is called ‘new’ as opposed to that of which Moses was the mediator
Fourth
We must forget that the author of the Gospel of John is known only to God…and that the Gospel does not explain anything about its author or the date of its composition…and we assume that John the Beloved is the author…
The Bible from scratch: the New Testament for beginners The truth: about the five primary religions and the seven rules of any goodBy Laurel, Oracle
Institute
We will not dwell on this point for long… the discussions on it will never end…
The Gospel of John
Fifthly
, we must forget that Jesus did not speak Greek at all and did not say “ego emi” or anything else… rather, he spoke Aramaic… and we will assume that Jesus spoke Greek.
Jesus’ Community - Its Traditions and Customs - Father Sami Hallaq
Old Testament Guide - Dr. Angel Warrior
Proof Requires a Decision - Josh McDowell
Someone philosophized and asked us … a very funny request … if it indicates anything, it indicates the bankruptcy of the argument …
This honorable man said that he wants Muslims to provide a Christian reference that says that Christ said this verse specifically in Aramaic???
And we say to him .. We have brought references that say that the language of Christ was Aramaic … And if you want to prove that Jesus said Igo Emi in Greek … then bring a Christian reference that says that Jesus during his dialogue with the Jews was speaking Aramaic, but suddenly and without warning Jesus changed his language from Aramaic to Greek and said Igo Emi … And then after he said it, he went back to speaking Aramaic again ..!!! Very funny, by God, Christians …
Sixth
We must forget that the text in which Jesus is supposed to have said that he is Jehovah … is not found in the first three Gospels, Mark, Matthew and Luke … and it suddenly appeared to people in the late first century AD after the writing of the Gospel of John…
Wouldn’t it have been better for the writer of the Gospel of Mark to have narrated this incident instead of narrating Jesus’ question about the number of loaves of bread???
Mark
6:38 And he said to them, ” How many loaves do you have? Go and see.” And when they knew, they said, “Five and two fish.”
Wouldn’t it have been better for the writer of the Gospel of Matthew to have narrated this incident … instead of Jesus’ command to the people not to swear by their heads..!!!
Matthew 5:36
And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
Wouldn’t it have been better for the writer of the Gospel of Luke to narrate this incident… instead of his dialogue with Theophilus’s companion at the beginning of the Gospel…!!!
Wouldn’t it have been better for Paul to allude to this serious incident in which Jesus declared that he is Jehovah instead of mentioning his greetings, longings and warm kisses in the Epistle to the Romans…
Seventh
We must forget that revelation in Christianity is only in meaning and not literally, and we must forget that each writer expresses his idea, opinion and beliefs, and that each book was distinguished by certain characteristics according to the circumstances of the time and place in which it was written…and we assume that the book as a whole is the book of God and every letter in it is from God.
Introduction to the Holy Book, page 17 - Habib Saeed
Habib Saeed continues his words on the same page…
We must also forget that the Holy Bible does not pretend to be eloquent and uses the methods common among all people… and we assume that it is a miraculous book that is suitable for all times and places
Jehovah - Yahweh )
As we mentioned that this name is the scientific name of God in the Old Testament… The scholars of the People of the Book who said that Igo Emi = Jehovah… built that Jehovah is equal to Ahya… and Wahya is equal to Igo Emi and thus… Jehovah = Igo Emi…
I was very surprised by this talk… The talk of these people with this excessive confidence… makes the reader feel that the name Jehovah… and its meaning and the word derived from it… are known to scholars and there is no disagreement regarding this meaning… They forgot or pretended to forget that almost nothing is known about this name… neither the original meaning… nor the source of derivation of the word… nor even the pronunciation of the word…!!!
Scholars disagreed on the pronunciation and meaning of this name…
This is confirmed by Dr. Munis Abdel Nour in his book, The Names of God in the Bible.
Before we delve into the meaning of the name, the source of derivation of the word, and the way of pronunciation…
we must first realize… that this name… its original meaning is unknown… the source of derivation of the word is unknown… and its correct pronunciation is also unknown…
The Biblical Encyclopedia.. God
This is also confirmed by the website of Anba Takla
Yahweh: This is the personal name of the God of Israel, just as Chemosh was the god of Moab and Dagon was the god of the Philistines. We do not know the original meaning or the source of the word’s derivation
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We read this in a book…
Systematic Theology - Lewis Sperry Chafer
We also find this in the book …The named God and the question of being
Another reference … Flying Serpents and Dragons: The Story of Mankind’s Reptilian Pastpage 90
The original meaning is vague and uncertain…
Cambridge bible
In general, there is no definitive answer to this question, as the origin of the name is unknown.
Introduction to the Bible
The Old Testament writingsBy James M. Efird
نطق الأسم …
We come to the pronunciation of this name… and it is unfortunate that the pronunciation of the name is also unknown…
because the Jews did not pronounce this name… they used to write it Jehovah… and pronounce it Adonai (Lord), and with time the original pronunciation of the name was lost… as Dr. Munis Abdel Nour explained in the reference above… and as Habib in Saeed confirms in his book Introduction to the Holy Book… and Father Matta El Meskeen… and Father Abdel Masih Basit… and many references…
Introduction to the Holy Bible - Habib Saeed Page 30-31
Interpretation of the Gospel of John Father Matta El Meskeen Page 220
Father Abdul-Masih Basit says…
The correct pronunciation of the name was lost from Jewish tradition during the Middle Ages… and it was pronounced in different forms, the most important of which are… Yahveh, Yeheveh… or “Yahve” or “Jehova
Therefore, we may well hold that YHWH does not come from the verb hawa which is cited in the first person ‘ehyeh’ “I will be, “but is an old word of unknown origin
http://paradisedove.xanga.com/721387…-to-left-yhwh/
The origin of Yahweh is unknown; and while many explanations for its meaning have been proposed
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/se…boulay04e.html
So… the original meaning of the word is unknown…
the source of derivation of the word is unknown…
and the correct pronunciation is unknown…
I really don’t know…how can we take a book from a people who failed to preserve the name of their Lord from being lost🤷♂️
Pagan ahh Gor
About the meaning of the name…
Now we come to some special theories of the word Jehovah…
Jehovah the moon god - moon god - (Special dedication to Father Zakaria Botros)
The first theory regarding the name Yahweh is that he is the god of the moon… The name of the moon god in Egypt was…
(yah) (Yah)…and the word wah means to grow or increase…so the word yahweh was formed,
meaning the growing moon
African presence in early Asia, Volume 7 - Ivan Van Sertima, Runoko Rashidi
Pagan god🤷♂️
Studies in the History of Religions - Lyon
Jehovah is the God of volcano…
Yahweh means over flowing and especially the god of the volcano…
Studies in the History of Religions - Lyon
Jehovah the Storm God
Traditions & Beliefs of Ancient Israel - Cheyne T. K
No other gods: emergent monotheism in Israel - Robert Karl Gnuse
Studies in the History of Religions - Lyon
Stolen name…
A name stolen from other religions… and found on Babylonian inscriptions…
The Biblical Encyclopedia…
Studies in the History of Religions - Lyon
Not a name at all…
Under the title of a God with no name… the author of the book A Guide to Reading the Bible tells us that Jehovah is not a name but rather evidence of presence…!!
I will be…
Origen says…(1)
It denotes the simple future, that is, ” Yahweh” means “I will be ”, it does not connect cause and effect, nor does it express existence in a metaphysical image, but rather the covenantal promise of divine presence in the present time and in the Messianic age in the future. Thus this name became associated with Messianic hope, as appears from the phrase “the day of Yahweh” or “the day of the Lord
as the translators of the Septuagint understood…
The word Yahweh was translated in the Septuagint as Kyrios (Lord or Lord) and other words as well, as we shall see in detail… But Father Basit stated that the translators of the Septuagint translated Yahweh as Kyrios as an interpretive translation…
The priest says it is simple…
When the Jews translated the Old Testament into Greek in the third century B.C., the translation known as the Septuagint (LXX), they did not translate the name “Jehovah” as it is, like the names of angels and humans, such as Michael, Israel, and others, but rather they translated it in an interpretive translation. They did not translate it literally, as is known in transferring names as they are from one language to another, but rather they translated its meaning. They translated the name in a translation that gives its meaning and clarifies its nature, that is, they used an interpretive synonym for it, and they translated it into Greek as “Kyrios” (55), which means “Lord and Master.
Jehovah is an abbreviation for “I am the One who is I am.”
Modern interpretation of the Holy Bible…
And of course we presented the theory adopted by some scholars of the People of the Book in the previous post that linked Jehovah to the Identity of the One Whose Identity…
And with this we have seen that Jehovah is a name whose derivation, original meaning, and pronunciation are unknown, and scholars differed about its meaning…
🚨was - hâyâh – اهيه )
Let us return to the original text that came in the Book of Exodus… when Moses, peace be upon him, asked God Almighty about his name…
Exodus
3:13 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the children of Israel and will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ And they will say to me, ‘What is his name?’ What shall I say to them?”
What did God say to him???
(HOT) And God said to Moses, I will be what I will be.
(LXX) And God said to Moses , I am he, and he said to the children of Israel, I have been sent to you.
(KJV) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you
3:14 And God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ’ I am who I am, I have sent me to you.’”
(אהיה אשׁר אהיה - Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν - I AM THAT I AM - אהיה דיגה אהיה)
What does this phrase mean? Let’s first take the meaning of “ahiya”…
We go to the bdb dictionary
היה
hâyâh
BDB Definition:
- to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
We go to the strong dictionary
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw’
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass
So the word means to be or to become or to happen …
and its meaning so that everyone knows is not specific to God only in the Old Testament … and it was said by many in the Old Testament … let’s take an example for example
Jdg 11:9
(HOT) And Yephthah said to the elders of Gilead, “If you send me back to fight against the children of Ammon, and the Lord has given them before me, I will be your head
KJV) And Jephthah said unto the elders of Gilead, If ye bring me home again to fight against the children of Ammon, and the LORD deliver them before me, shall I be your head?
11:9 And Jephthah said to the elders of Gilead, If you bring me back to fight against the children of Ammon, and the Lord has driven them before me, then I will set you
a new example
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(KJV) And David said unto Saul, Who am I? and what is my life, or my father’s family in Israel, that I should be son in law to the king?
18:18 And David said to Saul, Who am I, and what is my life, and what is my father’s family in Israel, that I should be the king’s son-in-law? A
final example…
2 Samuel
15:34 But if you return to the city, and say to Absalom, I will be your servant, O king; I have been your father’s servant of old, and now I am your servant; then you will frustrate for me the counsel of Ahithophel. Read more
(KJV) But if thou return to the city, and say unto Absalom, I will be thy servant, O king; as I have been thy father’s servant hitherto, so will I now also be thy servant: then mayest thou for me defeat the counsel of Ahithophel.
Now we know that the word Ihiyah has no sanctity in the Old Testament and anyone can say it. This is first…
We return to the phrase Ihiyah who I am and see how the commentators differed about its meaning and translations… And before we go to the commentators, we go to the KJC to know what the meaning of Ihiyah specifically is in the text of Exodus 3-14
KJC
am,
Exo_3:14 (4), Psa_88:3-4 (2), Psa_102:6 (2)
So the word Ihiya came with the meaning of “to be” in the text of the Book of Exodus, and thus the literal translation of the phrase Ihiya Asher Ihiya in Hebrew becomes… “I am who I am” in Arabic…
Let us go to Adam Clarke’s interpretation to see that this phrase can be understood in many ways…
These words have been variously understood. The Vulgate translates Ego Sum Qui Sum, I am who am. The Septuagint, Εγω ειμι ὁ Ων, I am he who exists. The Syriac, the Persic, and the Chaldee preserve the original words without any gloss. The Arabic paraphrases them,
Now we see some translations of this phrase…
Father Matta El Meskeen conveys to us the Jews’ interpretation of this phrase and says that its meaning is: I am the one who establishes the entity or existence.
Interpretation of the Gospel of John, page 221
We read in the book “A Guide to Reading the Bible” that after he stated that this phrase is difficult to translate, he said that the phrase means “I am who I am…” meaning that people will know me with the passage of time
We read in the Encyclopedic Dictionary of the New Testament… that the word means I am the one being…
We quote from Father Basit some other translations.
“I Am Who I Am”
“I Am What I Am”
“I Am That IA” ”
I Am That is Who I am”
“I Will Be What I Will Be…
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We will not go on at length about the different meanings of this phrase, and as everyone can see, the meaning is difficult to determine… but what we would like to clarify is that linking this phrase to Jehovah is just a theory among theories, as we have seen… and even those who said that said that it is not a proper name for God at all… and is just an interpretation of the name Jehovah…
Modern Commentary on the Holy Bible… Page 78
So… Ehiya which Ehiya is not a proper noun for God but rather just an interpretation and this is a theory among the theories…
Ehiya is not specific to God alone… and anyone can say it…
and scholars differed about its meaning… and it was translated in different ways…
Now we have to determine what is the relationship between Igo Emi and Jehovah and who is he?
We also go to… The elements of New Testament Greek
By Jeremy Duff, David Wenham
So the word in its Greek origin… has no holiness.. and there is no Christian reference at all that says that Igo Emi is one of the names of God in the Greek language… but as we have seen, the holiness that some of the People of the Book gave to this word… they claimed that it is equal to Heh in Hebrew… and thus whoever said Igo Emi in Greek… is like whoever said Heh in Hebrew… and whoever said Heh is Jehovah… as we have seen from their words…
and we have proven, thanks to God, that linking Jehovah to Heh is just a theory among theories… and we have also proven that Heh has no holiness in the Old Testament and anyone can say it…
and now let us look for linking Igo Emi to Heh.
is whoever said Igo Emi in Greek… like whoever said Heh in Hebrew???
As we saw in the previous post… the translations of the phrase “I am he who is he” are many and varied… and therefore we will now go to the Septuagint translation… this translation is not like any other translation… this translation has gained a very great position among Christian scholars… and many of the fathers believed that this translation is a revelation from God… rather this translation is considered the official text of the Old Testament in the Orthodox Church…
General idea about the Holy Bible - Monastery of Anba Makar
Patrology - Tadros Yacoub Malti
A Guide to Reading the Bible
And so that everyone knows that most of the New Testament quotations from the Old Testament were from the Septuagint translation… that is, the writers of revelation themselves were leaving the Hebrew original and quoting from this Greek translation, such as the famous text of Matthew, which he quoted from the Book of Isaiah… in the Septuagint it is the Virgin… and in the Hebrew original it is the young girl… and of course the writer of the Gospel of Matthew quoted the text from the Septuagint… because it serves the Christian belief in proving the existence of Jesus in the Old Testament…!!!.
An introduction to the New Testament and the origins of Christianity
- Delbert Royce Burkett
Anyway, this translation is not like any other translation and is considered an argument against the Christian without a doubt…
Now let’s go to the Septuagint and see if Ahya which Ahya was translated into Igo Emi??? And when Ahya came alone, was Ahya translated into Igo Emi???
(HOT) And when Ahya came alone, was Ahya translated into Igo Emi???
(LXX) And God said to Moses , I am he ; and he said, Thus are you to the children of Israel , I have been sent to you.
(KJV) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you
3:14 And God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ’ I am who I am, I have sent me to you.
The parallel aligned Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek texts of Jewish Scripture
Let’s take the first section first…
( I AM THAT I AM - I AM THAT I AM - אהיה אשׁר אהיה - אי�יה אהיה )
Ego Eme Ho
On and everyone sees that the word Ego Eme is actually present in the translation… but there is another word next to it… ( Ego Eme )… so what does this word mean???… This word consists of two syllables
ὁ-1 (he) 2- ὤν (on)
We take the first syllable ὁ (he)
قاموس Thayer
ὁ
ho
Thayer Definition:
- the definite article, “the” in its masculine, feminine or neuter gender
So the first syllable of the word means … . the …
We take the second syllable… ὤν (on)
Thayer Dictionary
ὤν
ōn
Thayer Definition:
- being, etc.
Dictionary strong
ὤν
ōn
The feminine, the neuter and the present participle of G1510; being: - be, come, have.
So the word means… being…
If … ὁ ὤν = the being
Let’s go to the New Testament… and see what word corresponds to the word “being” in the original Greek…!!!
Romans
9:5 And to them are the fathers, and from them is Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen
Rom 9:5
(GNT) from whom the fathers, and from whom Christ in the flesh, who is above all God blessed forever; amen.
Revelation
1:4 John to the seven churches in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne.
(GNT) John to the seven churches in Asia: grace to you and peace from Him who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
If it starts to become clear to everyone… the Septuagint translators translated I am the being … I am the being … !!! Interpretation of the Gospel of John - Father Matta El Meskeen - Page 221
And Father Basit says…
ego eimi ho On … ho On a pestalke me… and it literally translatesinto
English… Iam THE BEING … THE BEING has sent me
And so everyone now sees that the word ego emi in this phrase is merely a definite article, nothing more and nothing less… The evidence for that, which will completely destroy the sanctity of ego emi… is the translation that corresponds to the word ahiya… in the second part of the number…
3:14 And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM . And he said, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me to you (HOT) καὶ Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν· καὶ εἶπεν Οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ Ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς. As everyone can see now… the word Ahiya when it came alone was translated as Ho An… Ὁ ὢν and thus the translators of the Psainite understood the verse as follows… God said to Moses, I am who I am (I am the one who is) and said, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I am (the one who is) has sent me to you… The word “being” in the two syllables… came as Ho An… (Ὁ ὢν) while Igo Emi was a definite article, nothing more and nothing less… Now we will narrate the words of Father Basit, which completely destroys the sanctity of Igo Emi… The name of God “Ihiya” was known among the Jews who lived in the diaspora and used Greek in their conversations as “the being - ho On” according to the Greek translation they had. And the being, as we have shown, is the name of God that expresses His being, existence and essence. They knew “ho On - the being” more than the original Hebrew “Ihiya”. Philo, the Alexandrian Jewish philosopher, used the Greek word “being” in the first century AD as the real name of God
So the matter has become very clear… for everyone, the word that corresponded to Ihiya among the Jews is Hu An… and not Igo Emi as these people claimed…
So whoever wants to tell us after that that Jesus said that Ihiya… let him come to us on the tongue of Christ with words in which he says that he is (Hu On) (Ὁ ὢν).
Now after the fall of any link that connects Igo Emi to Ihiya… all that remains for us is to see the names that the translators of the Septuagint used in exchange for the word Jehovah…
As we mentioned at the beginning, Jehovah is a proper noun… and a proper noun is not translated from one language to another… and it should be placed as it is… but what happened… is that the translators of the Septuagint used other names in exchange for this word… and the question that arises is, did it happen even once that the translators of the Septuagint… translated Jehovah into Igo Emi…???
I say it and challenge any Christian… No, it never happened. The word Jehovah came in Hebrew and its equivalent in the Septuagint is Igo Emi…
Someone came up with a very funny text… and claimed that Jehovah in Hebrew corresponded to Ego Emi in the Septuagint, and he made a mistake… that only comes from someone claiming to be knowledgeable…!!!
Isaiah 45:18
(HOT) There is no need for anything to be done. Read more about this article ( LXX ) Οὕτως λέγει I am also here οὐρανόν - ὐτὸς διώρισεν αὐτήν, οὐκ εἰς κενὸν ἐποίησεν 45:18 For thus says the LORD, the Creator of the heavens, He is God; He formed the earth and made it; He ordained it; He did not create it in vain to be inhabited; He formed it: I am the LORD , and there is no other . This honorable man claimed that Yahweh in Hebrew corresponds to ego emi in Greek, and there is no power or strength except with God… And my question is, if ego emi corresponds to Yahweh, then what is the word that corresponds to the word shaded by the structures next to Yahweh??? Let us first know the meaning of the word
Strong
אני
‘ănı̂y
an-ee’
Contracted from H595; I: - I, (as for) me, mine, myself, we, X which, X who.
Bdb
אני
‘ănı̂y
BDB Definition:
I (first person singular - usually used for emphasis)
So … אני … simply means .. I … I
and this is the word that corresponds to Jehovah in the Septuagint translation … and this verb “to do something” indicates the extent of the holiness of this word to the translators … it is a tool for definition, nothing more and nothing less …
As for Jehovah in this text, it was not translated at all …
The parallel aligned Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek texts of Jewish Scripture
Jehovah… was often translated in the Septuagint as Kyrios (Lord) or Ho Theos (God)
and sometimes it was not translated at all when it came with Elohim…
Father Matta El Meskeen says - The Book of the Titles of Christ - Lord
and is pronounced in English Yahwah as we pronounce it in Arabic Yahweh. In the Renaissance, around 1600 AD, it was modified and became pronounced Jehovah. But the true pronunciation of the word was lost from the Jewish tongue, since around 300 BC, because they refrained from pronouncing it at all when reading the books due to fear and awe of the owner of the name, which they replaced with the word “Adonay” which means Lord, and it was translated as “Lord” , and it came in the Septuagint as KÚrioj and in Latin as Dominus and in English as Lord. And
Father Basit says…
They translated its meaning, they translated the name in a way that gives its meaning and clarifies its essence, that is, they used an interpretive synonym for it, and they translated it into the Greek language (Kyrios).
http://fatherbassit.com/shobohat/3ab…_22.htm#_ftn33
And this is actually what happened… She often translated Yahweh as Kyrios (Lord), and at times she translated it as Theos (God), and at times it was not translated at all… when it comes with Elohim.
Take an example for example - Jehovah vs Kyrios Exo
6:3
(HOT) Read more (LXX) αὐτῶν, καὶ τὸ ὄνομά μου κύριος οὐκ ἐδήλωσα αὐτοῖς
נעזעעם על שיבל אחדש - יהוה תקובל הו תיאוס
Gen 4:4
(HOT) והבל ביא עקמ־הוא מבקרות צאנו מחלבהון וישׁע יהוה אל־הבל ואל
-מנץת׃ (LXX) And Abel was also of the firstlings of his sheep, and of of their states. And God was not against Abel and his gifts,
نا تقبل على سبيل ثلاث - יהוה לא תקובל שעש في سبعينية …!!
Gen 2:4
(HOT) אלה תולדות השׁמים והארץ בהבראם ביום עשות יהוה אלהים ארץ ושׁמים׃
(LXX) This book of the creation of the heavens and the earth, when it was created, in the day that God made the heavens and the earth
In summary, what we are saying… Ahyeh did not meet Igo-Emi in Greek… but rather met He-On… and Yahweh was never translated as Igo-Emi in the Septuagint… and thus any theory linking Igo-Emi to Ahyeh or Yahweh falls
The Story of Ego Emi…
Now let’s make several more assumptions…
1Let’s assume that the meaning of Jehovah and the derivation of the word are known to everyone .
2Let’s assume that Ehiyah is the deep meaning of the word Jehovah.
3Let’s also assume that Ehiyah in Hebrew corresponds to Igo Emi in Greek..
4Let’s let our imagination run wild a bit more.. and assume that Jehovah in Hebrew corresponds to Igo Emi in the Septuagint of the Old Testament…
Now let’s ask… Did the New Testament writers use… Igo Emi to refer to the name of God??? Did Igo Emi mean Jehovah to the Jews.???
But before talking about answering these questions… Someone wrote something very funny… that deserves nothing but pity.. The respected gentleman divided Igo Emi into several sections… … A definition of identity followed by a name and things like that…
In plain language, oh Muslim, when Jesus says “Ego Emi” you must understand that he means that he is Yahweh… but if someone else said it, then he didn’t mean anything, he was just joking…!!!
Anyway, let the Christian references refute this nonsense…
The Encyclopedic Dictionary of the New Testament…
Proof Requires a Decision - Josh McDowell …
Commentary on the Gospel of John - Father Matta El Meskeen …
I Am the Resurrection and the Life - Anba Moussa
So the words are very clear… Igo Emi is the formula in which Jehovah presents himself… and it is the direct expression of the name Jehovah… and it means I am the being who is… and it is the name of majesty… so the phrase Igo Emi has special theological connotations…
as everyone can see, those scholars who said that Igo Emi = Jehovah… said that the word in itself is sacred at all times…
Thus, the dialogue with some scholars of the People of the Book is limited to two points and no third:
either ego eme = Jehovah
or ego eme does not equal Jehovah.
Is ego eme equal to Jehovah??? … The answer is simply no, of course not. If ego eme was equal to Jehovah in the Jewish tradition and in the tradition of the Gospel writers… no one other than Jesus would have said it… But the funny thing is that this expression, which some scholars of the People of the Book use as evidence of the divinity of Jesus… was said by everyone in the Bible…!!!
Let’s take, for example,
Paul
Acts
26:29 Then Paul said, “I would pray to God that, both very briefly and very much, not only you but also all who hear me this day may become even as I
am, except for these chains. ” ἀκούοντάς μου καὶ ἐγώ εἰμι , παρεκτὸς τῶν δεσμῶν τούτων.
All Students
Matthew
26:21 And as they were eating, he said, Verily I say unto you, That one of you shall betray me.
26:22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and every one of them began to say unto him, Is it I , Lord
Peter.
Acts
10:21 Then Peter went down to the men who had been sent to him from Cornelius, and said, ” Here I am , the one you are looking for. What is the reason for which you have come?”
The Blind Man
9:9 Others said, “This is he,” and others, “It is like him.” But he said , ” I am he. ” (GNT) ὅμοιος αὐτῷ ἐστιν. ἐκεῖνος ἔλεγεν ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι .
Angel
Luke
1:19 Then the angel answered and said to him, ” I am Gabriel, who stands before God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this
good news.” ἐγώ εἰμι Γαβριὴλ ὁ παρεστηκὼς ἐνώπιον τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ ἀπεστάλην As everyone can see
.. Ego Emi was translated to me only… This is of course because the meaning is the same in the translators’ understanding..
In other words… I am Gabriel = I am Gabriel… So whether you translate this or that… the meaning will reach the reader and
this, if it indicates anything, indicates the translators’ disdain for the word… It is just a word for definition, nothing more…
According to the Septuagint, Some Also Said it in the Old Testament.
2 Samuel
2:20 Then Abner turned behind him and said, “Are you Asahel?” And he said, ” I am.” ( LXX)
The funny, sad and shameful thing about this matter is … Judas … ! … Yes, Judas who betrayed the Lord to the Jews … Judas the traitor …
Yes, Judas said Igo Emi … ! … Christianity is the only religion that is unique in that the title of Lord is the same as the title of the traitor to the Lord … ! There is no power nor strength save with God.
Matthew
26:25 Then Judas, who betrayed him, answered and said, ” Rabbi , is it I ?” He said to him, “You said it.” Now , according to the words of Christian scholars, these people said the direct expression of the name Jehovah…and these people said the majestic name Jehovah…so please, gentlemen, include these people. To the three hypostases, equality in ego is justice… To be continued…
The Sanctity of the Word among the People of the New Testament
Now let us add another assumption to the previous assumptions… which is that the word “Igo Emi” was only said by Jesus… whether in the New Testament or the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament.
Now let us see how sacred this word was to Jesus personally… and when he said this word did he mean by it that he was Jehovah… or did he mean another meaning… Let us take the answer from Christian references…
Let us take the answer first from the mouth of Christ himself…
John
8:28 Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he (ἐγὼ εἰμί) and that I do nothing of myself, but as my Father taught me, I speak these things
. By the Lord of the Kaaba, I am amazed at this verse…! How can “ego emi” mean Jehovah and then say “I do nothing of myself”…!
Tadros Yacoub Malati says in his interpretation of this verse, words that make you cry blood…
I am not of myself. Because the Son is God from the Father, but the Father is God, not from the Son. The Son is God from God, the Father is God, not from God. The Son is Light from Light , and the Father is Light, but not from Light . The Son is, but there is someone from whom he is, and the Father is, but there is no someone from whom he is
No comment of course…!!
Did Christ mean in this verse that he is Jehovah when he said Igo Emi????
Let us go to the Noble Commentary on the Holy Bible to get the answer…
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المسيح نور العالم، فاتح أبواب الرجاء…
المسيح نور العالم، فاتح أبواب الرجاء | يوحنا 8 - تفسير إنجيل يوحنا - شرح العهد الجديد (شرح الإنجيل): تفسير العهد القديم والعهد الجديد < موقع الأنبا تكلا هيمانوت - الأسكندرية - مصر
In Adam Clarke’s interpretation
clark
Joh 8:28
When ye have lifted up - When ye have crucified me, and thus filled up the measure of your iniquities, ye shall know that I am the Christ , by the signs that shall follow; and ye shall know that what I spoke is true, by the judgments that shall follow. To be lifted up, is a common mode of expression, among the Jewish writers, for to die, or to be killed.
In Albert Barnes’ interpretation
barnes
That I am he - Am the Messiah, which I have professed to be.
And that I do nothing of myself - That is, you shall have proof that God has sent me; that I am the Messiah; and that God concurs with me and approves my doctrine
As everyone can see, when Jesus used the word ego omega, he used it to define himself, nothing more and nothing less… When he said I am… he meant I am the Christ… or I am the Son of God, as we will see… and there is no I am, no Jehovah, or anything like that…
Let’s go to another text in Luke that clarifies the matter for us
Luke
22:70 Then they all said, “Are you the Son of God?” And he said to them, “You say that I am (ἐγὼ εἰμί)
? ” Ask any Christian… Jesus said to the people, “You say that I am (ἐγὼ εἰμί)
.” Is there anyone among those whom Jesus met in the New Testament… who claimed that Jesus is Jehovah???… Therefore, Jesus’ words are very clear…
“I am” means… that I am the Christ, the Son of God… Let’s go to the Christian interpretations to make the matter clear… they are, of course, more deserving of explaining Jesus’ words than I am
William Barclay’s Commentary - The Gospel of Luke
As everyone can see… the accusation against Jesus before the council was that he said he was the Son of God… This is what he meant by the phrase “You say I am the Messiah” (ἐγὼ εἰμί), meaning I am the Christ or I am the Son of God… and there is no God, no Jehovah, and no other…!
The ancient Christian interpretation of the Bible…
Saint Cyril’s words are clear, of course… and do not need explanation…
Father Matta’s interpretation of the poor man…
Here the words of the poor Father Matta are very clear… Jesus’ sentence means yes, I am…
because the people’s question was… Are you the Son of God?… and Christ’s answer was yes, I am the Son of God…
Another text that shows how sacred the word was to Jesus…
Luke
21:8 Then he said, “Take heed that you be not deceived, for many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he
!’ and the time is near; therefore do not go after them.”
Here, Christ is telling the disciples that there will come one day and say, “I am Jehovah!” Did Christ mean that there will come one day and say, “I am Jehovah!” Or is there another meaning?
Indeed, there is another meaning… revealed to us by the writer of the Gospel of Matthew,
Matthew
24:5 “For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ!’ And they will deceive many .”
Did you notice with me Christ’s intention?
The word “I am” for Jesus was for identification, nothing more, nothing less.
I Am He = I Am the Christ
We read in the ancient Christian interpretation of the Bible
that Christ was talking about false prophets… and thus the term Igo Emi in Jesus does not mean Jehovah in any way.
Now let’s look at the issue from another side… which is the effect of hearing Ego Emi on people…
To the Students.
We read in the Gospel of Matthew…
14:27 And immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, Take courage, I am he (ἐγώ εἰμι) do not be afraid.
14:28 Then Peter answered and said, Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you on the water.
14:29 And he said, Come. So Peter got down from the boat and walked on the water to come to Jesus.
14:30 But when he saw the wind strong, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried out, saying, Lord, save me.
14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched out his hand and caught him, and said to him, O you of little faith, why did you doubt?
14:32 And when they had entered into the boat, the wind ceased.
14:33 And those in the boat came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth you are the Son of God
. And here Jesus said before the people, Ego, Emi… And the people believed in him that he was the Son of God… And there was no one who understood from the words of Jesus that he was Jehovah…
On Martha
John
11:21 Then Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.”
11:22 But even now I know that whatever you ask of God, God will give it to you.
11:23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
11:24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
” 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though they die, yet shall they live.
11:26 And everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
11:27 She said to him, “Yes , Lord. I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.
” Here Martha believed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God…and even said to him, “Lord.” Although Jesus said in front of her, “Ego, Emi.”…and she did not understand from this word that Jesus is Jehovah…!!
Samaritan Woman
John
4:25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming, who is called Christ. When he comes, he will tell us everything.”
4:26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he . ”
4:27 At this point his disciples came and marveled that he was talking with a woman; but no one said, “What do you seek?” or “Why are you talking with her?”
4:28 So the woman left her waterpot and went away into the city and said to the people,
4:29 “Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Is this not the Christ?”
And here Jesus said before the woman, “Ego, ome.” The woman went away and said to them, “Come, see a man…”! We will leave the comment to the wise.
Among the Jews
6:35 Then Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life . Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
6:36 But I said to you that you have seen me and do not believe.
6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will in no way cast out.
6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
6:39 And this is the will of the Father who sent me, that of all that he has given me I should lose nothing, but raise it up at the last day.
6:40 For this is the will of him who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
6:41 Then the Jews murmured against him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
6:42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can this man say, ‘I came down from heaven?’” From heaven
and here we see that the Jews were amazed by Jesus’ words that he came down from heaven … and none of them said the word ego emi …!!!
John
8:24 So I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he (ἐγώ εἰμι), you will die in your sins.
8:25 Then they said to him, Who are you? Jesus said to them, What have I been saying to you from the beginning
? And here Jesus says ego emi in front of the Jews… So the Jews responded to him, Who are you? If ego emi for the Jews meant Jehovah … their response would be Who are you???
The Gospel Writer Saw
Now let’s look at the issue from another perspective… which is the belief of the writer of the Gospel of John…
Did he believe that Christ is Jehovah? … And is this the message he wanted to convey to people through his Gospel… and through the word “ego emi” which he attributed to Jesus???
Let’s go to the Gospel itself and get the answer…
John …
20:30 And many other signs did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book.
20:31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in his name
. Therefore the writer of the Gospel of John wrote his Gospel… so that we may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God… not that we may believe that Christ is Jehovah or God . This is the message that the writer of the Gospel of John wanted to deliver to people… This, of course, is very normal in the Jewish tradition… There are many sons of God in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments. Thus, the writer does not know anything about the holiness of Igo Emi… otherwise he would have written in his Gospel that the reason for writing this Gospel was so that people would believe that Jesus is Jehovah…! The book Introduction to the Bible
tells us that the reason for writing the Gospel… was so that people would believe that Christ is the Son of God…
This meaning is also confirmed by Dr. Fahim Aziz in his book Introduction to the New Testament … where he confirms that the teaching intended to be conveyed by the Gospel of John is the belief that Christ is the Son of God.
This meaning is also confirmed by Dr. William Addy in the introduction to his interpretation . He says that the purpose of writing this Gospel is to strengthen people’s faith that Christ is the Son of God…!!
He also confirmed this meaning in his interpretation of the previous verses.
Father Matta El Meskeen says in his interpretation …that these are the goals that were in the saint’s heart…and these are the goals that he wanted to convey to the reader…!!
In the book “A Guide to Reading the Bible” … we find this meaning as well…
In the applied commentary on the Holy Bible we read…
But these were written that you may believe… This is the main purpose of writing this Gospel, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God . This is the Christian faith in Jesus, and it is the theme of the preaching of the early church.
Under the title “Why John Wrote His Gospel,” Anthony Fikri mentions the reasons for writing the Gospel and says…
1So that you may believe that Jesus of Nazareth, who was born of a virgin, was crucified, and rose again, is the Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, whom all the prophets prophesied. He is the hope of all Israel. He is the one who establishes the Kingdom of God. This Jesus, whom we saw as a man in our midst, is not of the earth, but is himself the Son of God.
2That by believing you may have life in his name = by this faith you may receive eternal life that appeared in the resurrection of Christ. You believed = is accepting Christ, trusting in him, and giving him the sovereignty to lead life.
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Tadros Yacoub Malti says…
Belief in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, does not leave a person in his current position, but rather leads him to enjoy eternal life, or to enjoy the name of Christ, that is, his person as life itself.
Barnes says in his interpretation of this verse that everything that came in the Bible from miracles, discussions and facts aims to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God… and thus we will have eternal life if we believe that…
The whole scope or end of the book is to accomplish two objects
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1.To prove that Jesus was the Messiah
2.That they who looked at the proof might be convinced and have eternal life.
This design is kept in view throughout the book. The miracles, facts, arguments, instructions, and conversations of our Lord all tend to this.
So the writer of the Gospel of John… does not know anything about the Ego Emi… and what he wanted to convey to the people is that Jesus is the Christ + the Son of God… and with this, any verse that Christians cite regarding the divinity of Christ from within this Gospel falls away because the writer himself… does not believe in the divinity of Jesus, but rather believes that he is the Christ and the Son of God… and this is what he wanted to convey to the people…
Scholars Who Do Not Know Anything about the Text…
Dr. Maurice Tadros told us… some Christian scholars objected to the word “ego emi” in his analysis of the Gospel of Matthew…
Now let us see some opinions of scholars who did not speak about Jehovah, neither directly nor indirectly…
The first people who deserve to be mentioned in this topic are all the ancient church fathers …
I challenge any Christian to bring me a saying by any of the ancient church fathers in which he said that Igo Emi = Jehovah…!!!
O Christians, we want anything from the church tradition that is considered the life of the church… any saying that clarifies that Igo Emi = Jehovah…
We want any saying from the church fathers who were in perfect faith and love for God… anything that clarifies that Igo Emi = Jehovah…
we want any saying from the words of the saints, the fourth source of tradition, anything about the relationship of Igo Emi to Jehovah…
Is the Bible alone enough?
And so that everyone knows the ultimate reasoning that all ancient scholars have used…and some modern scholars have used from John 8:58…is the eternity of Jesus and nothing else… and we will respond, God willing, to this point
by taking from the ancients as an example
why He did not say: “Before Abraham was, I was” but rather “I am”… Christ uses this expression to mean the continuity of being over all time. For this reason, this expression was considered blasphemy.
Saint John Chrysostom
To weigh the words, and to know the secret. “Before he was made, I am.” To understand that “was made” refers to human creation, while “I am” refers to the divine essence. He did not say, “Before he was (was) I was,” the one who was created only by me, the being. Nor did he say, “Before Abraham was created, I was created”… To distinguish between the Creator and the creature
Saint Augustine
“I am” in the present, because the Godhead has no past or future tense, but is always “being,” since He did not say: “I was before Abraham.”
Pope Gregory the Great
As everyone can see, no one has ever said that Jesus declared that he is Jehovah in this text..!!
There are also scholars other than the ancient church fathers who do not know anything about the relationship between Igo Emi and Jehovah…
Take for example the head of the Coptic Church, Pope Shenouda.
Who put in his book The Divinity of Christ, page 89, clear verses that indicate the divinity of Christ…and he did not put this text in them…and when he cited this text…he concluded from it the eternity of Jesus only and nothing else, and he did not speak about the subject of Yahweh at all.
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Dr. Emil Ishaq also followed in this,
and we find this also in Theology, Part One - Father Mikhail Mina - Page 218.
Dr. Sameh Maurice followed in their footsteps,
and Dr. Ibrahim Saeed confirmed their words in his commentary on the Gospel of John.
A big salute to those who preserved their faith from innovations…and did not introduce anything new in their faith that was different from the faith of the apostles…
Is the Holy Scriptures alone enough?
Therefore, Any Orthodox is Required to come to Any of the Sayings of the Church Fathers in Which He Says That… Ego Emi = Jehovah, Otherwise His Faith is Not Right…!
Questions about the Incident..
John
8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If any man keep my word, he shall never see death.
8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a demon: Abraham died, and the prophets: and thou sayest, If any man keep my word, he shall never taste death.
8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which died, and the prophets died? Whom maketh thyself?
8:54 Jesus answered, If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing: it is my Father that glorifies me, of whom ye say, He is your God.
8:55 And ye know him not, but I know him: and if I should say, I know him, I shall be a liar like you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
8:58 Jesus saith unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
8:59 Then they took up stones to throw at him : but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the The temple passed through their midst and went on their way. Thus
they said that when the Jews heard Jesus’ egotism and understood that he claimed to be God… and therefore they took up stones to stone him… according to the Jewish law
Leviticus
24:16 ” And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death; the whole congregation shall surely stone him. The stranger, like the native, when he blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death.
This Statement is Rejected for Several Reasons
1Justifying this by saying that the Jews apply the law… very naive.. since when have the Jews applied the law in the first place… they are an immoral, wicked generation who killed the prophets as Jesus described them.
The Jews teach anything at any time without reason or cause…
We ask the Christians: is there anything in the Old Testament law that says whoever performs miracles shall be killed?
Why did the Jews want to kill Jesus when he raised the dead?? Is there anything in the law that says that??
John
11:43 And when he had said this, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth!
11:44 And he that was dead came out, bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was bound about with a napkin. And Jesus said unto them, Loose him, and let him go!
11:45 Many of the Jews therefore, which came to Mary, and had seen what Jesus did, believed in him.
11:46 But some of them went away to the Pharisees, and said unto them, What things did Jesus do?
11:47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered a council, and said, What shall we do? for this man doeth many miracles!
11:48 If we let him thus pass, all will believe in him; and the Romans will come and take away our place and our nation!
11:49 But one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not?
11:51 And this spake not of him. himself, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation
11:52 and not for the nation only, but that he might gather together into one the children of God who were scattered abroad
11:53 From that day on they consulted to kill him.
So the Jews do not need a reason to do anything … !!
2Jesus said Igo Emi before the Jews more than once and they did not stone him … Take for example
John
6:47 Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever believes in me has eternal life
6:48 I am (ἐγὼ εἰμί)…Bread of life.
6:49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness and died.
6:50 This is the bread that came down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.
6:51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven . If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
6:52 Then the Jews argued among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Let us see the reaction of the Jews. What astonished them in Jesus’ words was that he spoke about eating his flesh. No Jew would ever speak about the word ego emi that Jesus said. This is evidence of the unholiness of this word, neither near nor far.
We also take
John 10:7
(GNT) (KJV) Then Jesus said unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 10:7 Then Jesus said unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you , I am the door of the sheep . 3The stoning of Jesus was merely out of spite and anger, nothing else. This is very possible…and this is not my saying, of course.
Rather, the words of Dr. Ibrahim Saeed in his explanation of the Gospel of John
4According to the Bible… Jesus humiliated the Jews and described them with the worst descriptions
, as they are not from God
8:47 He who is from God hears the words of God. Therefore you do not hear, because you are not from God
and your father is the devil.
8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and they do not know God.
8:55 And you do not know him, but I know him. If I say I do not know him, I will be a liar like you. But I know him and keep his words.
These accusations are enough for stoning…
5There is no objection to taking the opinion of Jehovah’s Witnesses regarding the reason for the stoning… Their belief is based on the fact that the Jews tried to stone Jesus because he claimed that he saw Abraham…!!!
As for the meaning of Jesus’ words
Before Abraham was, I am… or to be more precise… before Abraham was, I am
, or… before Abraham was, I am…
we will not care much about the meaning of these words… all that concerns us in this text is proving that Igo Emi is not equal to Jehovah… and the meaning of the words comes out as it comes out…
the words of the whole Bible do not bind us, and we do not believe what is in it, unless the Quran is true.
This incident appeared in the Gospel of John at the end of the first century, and the writers of the first three Gospels did not know about it… and thus we are not bound by any information issued by a book for which there is no evidence of the name of its author, nor the time of its writing, nor evidence that it is a revelation from God…
but in general, if this text is correct… if it is correct,
its meaning will not go beyond the eternal knowledge of God, such that Christ has existed in God’s knowledge since eternity… or that God chose Christ since eternity… and this concept is naturally present in the Christian faith
Theology - Father Mikhail Mina - Part One - Page 140
Systematic Theology - James Anse - Page 138
The Theological Summa of St. Thomas Aquila - Part One - Page 204
As everyone can see… God in Christianity has eternal knowledge and knows all things before they happen…
This concept is found in the Bible… For example,
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations…
Applied interpretation of the Bible
God knew you, just as he did Jeremiah, long before you were born or conceived, and He thought of you and planned for you. So when you feel frustrated or inadequate, remember that God sees you as precious and that He has a purpose for your life.
Tadros Malti’s interpretation
How amazing this phrase is; it reveals the secret of the deep love between God and humanity.
The Prophet realized that his relationship with God dates back to before his conception as a fetus in his mother’s womb. He was in God’s mind, the object of His love, and an integral part of God’s plan of salvation! His call to prophetic work did not arise from his own invention or from a human plan, but from a divine plan!
And as we mentioned before, the meaning of Jesus’ words will not matter to us much because we do not believe them in the first place…
Now, before we conclude, we have several questions we are looking for answers to regarding this issue…
1If ego eme means Jehovah, why didn’t Jesus address the Father with it at any time?
2Which of the disciples knew God by the name ego eme?
3Where is this story in the rest of the Gospels?
4Why didn’t Jesus clearly express and use any word that indicates divinity in the New Testament? 5-
How did the Gospel writers mention the word of majesty (ego eme) on the tongues of Paul, the blind man, and the angel?
6Did Paul know about this incident? What is the evidence? And why didn’t he refer to it?
7If ego eme means Jehovah to the Jews, how do we explain the blind man pronouncing it? He knows that whoever pronounces the word of majesty will be stoned?
After all this… we have another problem… Why do we leave dozens of verses in the Bible that clearly show that Jesus is a human being and stick to one meager verse, as we have seen, to prove Jesus’ divinity?
How do we leave all this and hold on to this meager number …
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I can do nothing of myself . As I hear I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me
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At that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, I thank you, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth
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Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing
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Of that day and that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.
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Jesus said to her, Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.
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But now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God
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But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in the house of his own
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They said again to the blind man, “What do you say about him, since he has helped you?” He said, “He is a prophet
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Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in me believes not in me but in him who sent me.
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Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than he who sent him .
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For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me himself gave me a commandment what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. Therefore what I speak, even as the Father said to me, even so I speak
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And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.
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And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray ; and when evening came, he was there alone.
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A ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? ” No one is good except God.
Oh Christians… What is Wrong with You? How Do You Judge?
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“Before Abraham was, I was a being”
One of the most important texts in which the Nazari testifies on the divinity of Jesus Christ ..
They say the sentence “I am a being” proves the immortality of Jesus Christ and that before Abraham there was an immortal being.
It is strange that many books from the translations of the Egyptian Church, copies of the Saint Catherine Abbey and copies of the copies of the Fathers of the Ancient Egyptian Church are partially deleted:
“I am a being”
Text: Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was.
Question: Why did the Egyptian Church remove partial “I am a being” from the text?!
Edition: COP 15-3 .
Edition date: 1814 A.D.
The Coptic library was sealed under number 176.
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